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Is HBO Giving Us the Shaft?

By MJ Snow on Aug 23, 2013 to HBO News

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According to a study by the Parents Television Council, full-frontal instances on network TV increased 6,300 percent in 2012. Full nudity (non-frontal) is also rising, jumping 407 percent from last year. If the networks are showing a 6,300 percent increase in full-frontal nudity, it would stand to reason that HBO would be showing us bunches of boobs and a plethora of penises, right? Well… not exactly. HBO, as always, treats us to lots and lots of breasts and plenty of female full frontal, however, we are totally getting the shaft, penis-wise.

Other premium channels, Starz, for example, has been generous with us in the penis department. The Spartacus series is the perfect place to go if you want to see, ehem… cock. Lots and lots of cock, in fact. And I’m not just talking about random guys in the background of the Ludus or secondary characters wandering around, oh no. You’ll see the penises of the stars on Starz. Major characters like Manu Bennet and Craig Parker went full frontal on the series. Da Vinci’s Demons, one of the newer arrivals to Starz, also gave us several penis shots during its first season, and they don’t discriminate. Old, young, big, small, season one was actually a bit like watching a lesson in male anatomy.

Showtime has also had their fair share of penises on display. One fellow in particular that comes to mind is Jody (Zach McGowan) on Shameless. Not only did we get a look, they even gave us a long close up. It was, shall we say, memorable. Overkill? Heck no! It was situational and it drove the plot, which is more than I can say for countless shots of female full-frontal nudity or breast shots.

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Wall Sushi’s Infographic Art – Boobs Per Episode, Game of Thrones Season 1

So where are the penises showing up on HBO? Since Oz has been off the air, they’re appearing primarily on Game of Thrones, however not in great numbers. So far we’ve seen Theon Greyjoy, Hodor, and the creepy wine seller bare it all. Will we see more in the coming seasons? Let’s hope so, as we’ve seen enough full-frontal female nudity on Game of Thrones to last us several, extra long winters. And dear HBO, in the future, if you’re going to display male genitalia, how about going a bit heavier on the younger, and/or more attractive male cast members wandering around unwrapped? More in the Theon category, than the Hodor, perhaps? Although not too young… this is Game of Thrones we’re talking about. And let’s face it. It would be hard to be grossed out by Charles Dance or Michael McElhatton, even if they’re not as young as they used to be.

Another thing you’ll find on Game of Thrones is copious numbers of boobs. Check out Wall Sushi’s excellent infographic of Boobs Per Episode of Game of Thrones (Season 1) if you don’t believe me. In fact the producers of the show seem to like to feature breasts so much, in addition to numerous brothel scenes, they actually have added female characters with speaking roles who have spent seventy five – one hundred percent of their screen time, unclothed. It’s easy to see that the number of breasts versus the number of penises shown on Game of Thrones is not even close to being in the same ballpark.

During this season of True Blood, we were shown slightly more than we’ve seen in past seasons, however, a quick flash of the outline of Alexander Skarsgard’s vampire genitals from about a mile away, and in shadow, is not exactly what I would call full-frontal male nudity. Nor is the bloody mess of dismembered member that Eric ripped off of a doctor at the Vamp Camp and left lying in a pool of gore.

Why then, does HBO, a network that airs shows like Hung, which is actually about a man who possesses and extra large appendage, seem to be so slow to show us the money shot? It’s a question worth asking. Is it because the people making these decisions are primarily male and therefore, not interested in equality when it comes to nudity on their shows or their network? I would argue in the case of Game of Thrones, that the answer to that question is yes. But is that the case across the board? Or could it be an insecurity issue? Do the producers of HBO series “X” feel as though the fewer on screen penises they have to look at, the less they have to worry that they, themselves, won’t measure up?

Perhaps it’s a case of what the men at home want to see (or not to see). It’s highly possible that the average television viewer sitting on his couch in his living room, may be “grossed out” by having to see another man’s manhood. Although, I would wonder here, are they grossed out when watching porn? And if not, why not? What’s the difference?

How about the ladies? Does it make the average female viewer squirm to see Theon Greyjoy bear all? If so, what is it that makes us so uncomfortable? It’s natural, all men have one (well, OK, most men), and I’d be willing to bet most of us have seen one in real life, or in some other context. This isn’t the 50’s, I’d be willing to bet that we’re not all having sex with the lights off, so why are we against seeing an unclothed male on TV or in a movie? Rather than broadening our horizons and helping us to become more accepting of the male form, has the amount of porn that’s become available to us in our internet driven society actually hindered our ability to view and accept the male body as art?

Of course there are women out there who actually enjoy seeing an attractive naked man. Yes, we actually do exist! Some of us aren’t even ashamed to admit it. Those of us who enjoy reading (or even writing) erotica or watching a little (or a lot) of porn, on our own, or with our significant others, are certainly not averse to seeing an actor take his clothes off every now and then. It may not always feel socially acceptable, but women have sex drives, just as men do. And I’ve yet to meet a gay man who didn’t enjoy the occasional nude male TV or movie moment. Why then, with the amount of boobs on display, do we not get our fair share of the eye candy?

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There is, of course, the unrealistic side of the male full-frontal nudity that we’re allowed to see today, as although we do see the penis pop up more often than in the past, there remains the fact that we rarely see a penis in a realistic sexual situation. Sex and flaccidity do not go well together, and yet showing a man with an erection would surely be crossing the line into porn. Or would it?

I still argue, however, that it will never be convincing to see a sex scene where we see a fully nude woman and never quite catch a glimpse of her partner’s anatomy. It takes two (or more) to tango, and so it seems odd that when watching a steamy scene, the man is always ever so strategically covered while the woman has it all on display. Is it not sexist (and no, I’m not a feminist, so please don’t accuse me of crying misogyny) to showcase nude women to the extent that we see in our television and movies today, and yet we see male genitalia so infrequently, that we it remains (to many) shocking and somewhat distasteful?

My hope is that one day we’ll see more male full-frontal nudity on HBO. Not because I want to see it, (hell, that’s what the internet is for!) but because male genitalia exist and I can’t see any reason to hide that fact. I’m not asking for fewer breasts, I’m just asking for equality. We’ve showed you ours, so you show us yours. Go on, I dare you!

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I have to agree with you. I’ve always wondered why showing an erect penis on a TV show is considered ‘too close to porn’ and therefore cannot be shown. Well, what about women? There is no difference in seeing a vagina than an erect penis. If a vagina got ‘erect’ and for arguments sake lets say ‘extended’ would they not show vagina’s on TV? Just because a penis looks different when erect and non erect and a vagina doesn’t (well mostly) does not mean that it shouldn’t be on TV.

An erect penis is the same as an erect clitoris. You want non-erect penises to be shown, that’s the same as a non-erect vulva, and yes, female genitals do get erect – the vagina grows from about 3 inches to over 5 inches, the clitoris becomes engorged in blood, the labia swell up and turn red. This is the same as an erect penis. If you don’t need to have the penis erect, then a non-erect penis is the same as showing a woman’s non-erect labia and clitoral hood, both of which would cause women and gay men to go… Read more »

I stopped watching the show. I’m just disgusted by the inequality and won’t watch ANY shows/movies any more that do not show equal time of female/male nudity. And I’m spreading the word and getting others to do the same.

Oz had enough penis to last the next several decades. Case closed.

In response to the featured comment I will not only answer myself why, but I will tell you. I give you a single argument that makes full sense and trumps any complaints this article might be validating. You start clearly with the idea of genitalia equality (or rather inequality, in favor of the male wishes). Homologous parts: Breasts =/= penis. It just so happens that we’ve sexualized female breasts. That is undeniable and there are tons of breasts eveywhere. But If this is a topic of nudity you cannot compare apples to bananas (pun intended). I would fully agree that… Read more »

A penis is both a sexual organ when erect and non-sexual when not erect. So…don’t show it erect. Or show the man’s testicles only, which are secondary sexual organs, like breasts.

A man’s testicles are analogous to a women’s ovaries.

A women’s breasts are analogous to men’s breasts, which are seen everywhere on this show. There are a lot more male breasts than female breasts on this show.

Stop making so much sense Dyrus. You just make get called an idiot by the author who trolls here own comment board.

There was full frontal and non-pubic hair nudity in Spike Jonze’s “Her” if anyone interested (the woman is pregnant though).

This is childish you can tell who ever is writing this article or believes in this is a women or a homosexual .The reality is if they put more male nudity in films they would lose out on tickets because of all the straight men in the world don’t want to see other men naked .You have to understand it ‘s psychology 101 Men are different than women they aren’t all in touch with their feelings or open sexually as women are with each other .People need to get real the same is true of pornography no one cares about… Read more »

We see naked women all the time in TV and films, you think we enjoy that? Get over it.

Women are NOT naked all the time. They are topless only. You want men to show their penises but don’t want women to show their vaginas? How is that fair? Time for you to get over your fear of vagina.

That’s BS. Women do not want to see naked women either!

To summarize the arguments thus far:

argument #1: I don’t want to see so many cocks on TV. It’s nasty.

Fair enough. You are a heterosexual male and you are not attracted to

penises, so you don’t want to see as much male nudity.

argument #2: We’re all for equality! Spread those lips and bend over.

Lel. Just be honest- it’s not about equality. You just want to see famous poon.

To summarize yet another woman who will probably get the featured comment with nonsense like this. To summarize the women we are all for equality as long as that means men showing us their genitals and all we have to do is take our shirts off. That’s the woman’s idea of equality. It’s also the idea that hiding behind a merkin is somehow equivalent to a man graphically showing his genitals. Well congrats for the most intelligent comment and yet another woman who is scared to death of actual equality. Hey did you get home schooled and your folks forgot… Read more »
Oh, believe me- shaved genitalia is the equivalent of shaved genitalia. Both should be visible in sex scenes. I was just referring to the posts that ask for female nudity under the guise of psuedo-feminism or sexual liberation. It really is about wanting to see famous women naked, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Conversely, the female argument that equates breasts with penises is an odd mixture of juvenile slumber party fluff and puritanical “eyes only” psuedo-feminism. To sum up the female arguments: 1) We want to see penises (tee hee)! 2) I’ll show you my boobies but you can’t… Read more »

Ridiculous. Show some testicles then….

I disagree, I think boobies do not equal pp (to borrow terminology from Friends). Actual female genitalia is rarely if ever shown, showing the mound or pubic hair is not really the same thing as actually showing “it”. Female genitalia is shown even less then male genitals which as noted in this very article, is not without its spotlight. Things are indeed unequal but not in the way the author posits.

Just happens that a penis is both a sexual or (when erect) and on-sexual (when not erect). And they convey totally different responses from women.

Re: Game of Thrones, I don’t care if there is tons of sex, tons of full frontal nudity, male or female. My problem lies with being true to the books. In the books, there are not huge gay sub plots and no gay sex yet on the show, there is tons. Which brings me to another point about this article. The author states that perhaps there is so much female nudity because the executives at HBO are all men. I will go one better, yes, they are all men. Gay men. There is tons of gay male sex all over… Read more »

Someone clearly hasn’t read A Song of Ice and Fire or just skipped parts, else why would they complain about homosexual acts when a fair share engage in same-gender sex (Renly, Ser Loras, Oberyn, Cersei, etc). If the books can talk about the horrors of Westeros including castration, pedophilia, incest, then I think we should be more than fine with homosexuality and bisexuality . Stop living in the dark ages.

Lets start seeing labia shots in these shows as well, it is after all the REAL equivalent to male privates, it’s a cop out saying dicks are the equivalent to female nipples, women see a shot with a pubic triangle 50 foot away in the dark, and have an issy fit, male nudity outnumbers female (in U K ) by 85/15, and still it’s only women who complain about same sex nudity, only women are allowed to complain, what it really is, is censorship and it’s not fair, female nudity is being (very cleverly) phased out of the media,(the only… Read more »
The same thing happens here in the US. Women have severe vagina insecurity issues, that if you show a woman with fake pubic hair covering the vagina (happens in mainstream movies and shows like GoT ALL THE TIME), women viewers STILL complain, get angry and call the movie porn, even if it has nothing to do with porn. Even Trance was called porn by vaginally insecure women everywhere, and yet that movie couldn’t be further from porn. It’s actually good to see more and more men (and some women too) standing up to this feminazi garbage of how women supposedly… Read more »

Then show a man covering his penis but show us the testicles. I am just tired of all the tit scenes in these shows. I stopped watching!

Testicles are genitals, so that would be the same as showing vagina/labia, which is something that would cause women to rip their hair out if they ever show something like on TV. You are seriously comparing tits to testicles? How old are you, 5?

And to think, MJ Snow the author, said women are not afraid of vaginas being shown on TV, so why are women desperately trying to see how much of a man’s genitals can be shown without having to show a woman’s vagina in return? Vagina phobia alive and well.

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And by the way, to make everything a whole lot easier, there should not be shown genitals at all!

First you argue for more penises to be shown, then you realize that would mean we should start seeing vulvas/vaginas for a change so you backtack and say genitals shouldn’t be shown at all? Typical vaginally insecure woman – wanting penises to be shown without any hint of vagina in the equation. Is your name MJ Snow by the way?

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I must say that it’s surprising how far from true it is what you are accusing me for here. No, I did NOT realize that we should start seeing more vulvas as a justification for seeing more penises and nor did I mention anything about it. On the other hand, I clearly stated that there is far more female full frontal nudity than male, and to make it equal there should be shown more male full frontal nudity! I added in my last comment that it actually would be even better if no genitals/full frontal nudity were shown at all… Read more »

You are in fact completely wrong that there is more female full frontal. Synthetic fur bikini =/= genitals

Full frontal female nudity outnumbers full frontal male nudity? Really?! You seriously need to watch more movies/TV shows if you actually believe that. Full frontal male nudity is shown more often and more graphically than full frontal female nudity has ever been shown. As mentioned several times, actresses wear merkins these days because a lot of them shave all or most of their pubic hair, so merkins are NOT full frontal nudity. If you take into account full frontal female nudity with real or no pubic hair, the amount of movies and shows is almost non-existent. Meanwhile, full frontal male… Read more »
Can any lady on here actually name an Actress that has shown her fully exposed vagina on film or TV without pubic hair? Can I name male actors who have? If you can name more women than men then you have an argument. Genital equality is exposed penis to completely exposed vagina without merkin or ginormous bush. Ben Affleck, Tom Cruise, Michael Fassbender, Viggo Mortensen, Harvey a Keitel multiple times, Robin Williams, M.C. Gainey, Jason Segel, Diego Luna, Ewan McGregor, Kevin Bacon, Jude Law, Michael Pitt, William H. Macy, Steve Howdy, Zach McGowan, shall I go on? Now name 3… Read more »

The shot youre talking about from Dreamers is its uncut NC-17 rated version so it doesn’t count at all. That scene is left in but that shot and a couple others are removed in the R rated version. To their credit one of the shots in a different scene was removed that featured eye level close up penis. At the end of the day the R rated version still has a bunch of penis.

I’ve seen far more female nudes on TV than men, one of my hobbies is to count nudes like in a soccer game. Female frontal nudes usually win 2-0, 5-0… And I’ve seen a LOT of movies/series in my life, you can bet.

what are you counting as full frontal? Synthetic fur bikini in low light shot from 30 feet away from the side for 0.7 seconds? I count as well, but with a much more equal criteria than apparently you do.

I’m counting as whatever looks like full frontal nudity, of course people wearing bathing clothes do not count. I don’t care if it’s a disguise or something that “technically” is not a nude body. Synthethic pubic hair is still nudity for me, because there is no way to know if they wear that or not. You see it as *nudity* and that’s what I count – you haven’t seen a lot of Spanish cinema I think :) Lots of naked women here for no reason. Very few men.

Sorry. You’re wrong in your assessment. This article wants GENITAL NUDITY EQUALITY. I.e. you have to visibly see genitals, and I’m afraid the truth is that only male actors accomplish this in any sence of actual nudity. In fact, I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a female actor on any HBO, SHOWTIME or any mainstream TV show (and 99.99% of movies for that matter) that have shown actual labia/clitoris. If I’m wrong I’m happy to retaliate with the overwhelming number of male actors that have.

That’s not fair, you know you’ll never see clitoris or genitalia, don’t be silly… full frontal nudity does not include see that or the uterus, that’s impossible, again don’t be silly.

Then why do they use fake pubic hair merkins on nude women if you would see no genitalia? What would it be covering then? I suggest you watch Trance where Rosario Dawson shows her genitals, and you clearly see it, or look through Playboy where you clearly see it too. That’s what we are arguing for yet vaginally insecure women everywhere claim you wouldn’t see anything? How dumb.

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I’m really sorry for upsetting you with my “great female logic”. But we obviously see the things from different angles! For me it is just as graphic to show a vulva with natural pubic hairs as to show a penis with natural pubic hairs – I never said anything about merkins so please stop putting words in my mouth!! If all pubic hairs were removed from both sexes it would be perfectly fine with me too! Jesus, in both cases we’re talking about private parts = equal body parts, and there should be no difference in how frequently they appear… Read more »

The problem is the majority of people, especially women who are hired actresses do not wear that much pubic hair. The vast majority of the time it’s a merkin.. Many of the scenes with men have reduced pubic hair as well. and as you put it “showing a vulva with natural pubic hairs” isnt showing a vulva at all if its a dense patch straight out of the amazon that sucks all light into a vortex. By that logic, showing breasts under a bra is topless.

Karina Høegh Poulsen

As true as it is said! Far too much female frontal nudity out there with the vulvas in display (whatever hairy or not)! Time to show that penises exist too and stop this frickin’ sexism! Is nude equality really to much to ask for??

a vulva is not exposed when its hair to the point of being absolutely obscured. Not a hard concept to understand. Don’t forget its usually a very intentionally placed synthetic pubic wig.

Here we go again… great female logic as usual!
I’m not going to copy and paste… (re)read the comments below.

And NO! Vulvas are NOT exposed if they’re covered with hair and merkins! Full frontal female nudity is NON-graphical; male full frontal nudity is VERY graphical. Compare like for like. Or is it okay to introduce man-size merkins?

Men are pervs and prudes. Men are the most insecure beings in this planet! Omg a woman said something…they’re only to be seen not heard. Stop being so insecure and man up! How can you say male frontal is very graphic and female is not? You’re not a woman. Oh and to the earlier comment, a man doesn’t ask our vagina size, but they have no problem asking us our boob size?

wow you’re so much more idiotic than the people youre trying to call out. boob size does not equal penis size. penis size equals vagina depth or labia minora length because the 2 things are homologous i.e. literally the exact same origin of tissue and organ starting in the womb before it begins to diverge as a result of hormones being present or not. It does not take being a woman to observe the facts in these things. by your logic, you would have to be a man to understand how much the male frontal nudity weighs in and therefore… Read more »

The problem is that there is no logic. I say a man sized merkin cause pubic hair is now apparently the equivalent to genitalia. What is a joke is the sexism comment from a wanna be feminist.

Misinformation and incorrect facts seems to be a common theme among the HBOWatch authors here… TRANCE is now airing on HBO and has been for some time now.

I highly suggest MJ Snow, as well as Kelly, Shane, Serahe, and Evie_L (aka MJ Snow 1, 2, 3, & 4) watch it as it will undoubtedly teach you/all of you what the visible parts of a Vulva actually look like.

Yes, Danny Boyle somehow did the impossible, he managed to get this “invisible” and elusive part of a woman’s genitalia on film. Twice!

It is not an incorrect fact to say TRANCE is airing in April because it is and just because I stated that it is does not mean that it is not airing now. Therefore, I am a very competent author. I also find it quite interesting that any of you really care passionately on whether there is enough nudity on HBO. I prefer my nudity up close and in real life and don’t care one way or the other whether it is on HBO or not. However, I must thank you all for an entertaining debate that is over two… Read more »

I know, I said “authors”, plural. You’re misinformed, especially for an “HBOWatch author” failing to mention (or not knowing) that TRANCE is airing “now” on ‘HBO’.

Your daughter (or friend/girlfriend), MJ Snow, is the factually incorrect “HBOWatch author”. She also appears to be anatomically ignorant based on the words in her article and posts.

[…”Therefore, I am a very competent author.”…] *shrugs* If you say so, Jef. ;-)

TRANCE is airing in April if anyone feels the need to check out Rosario Dawson’s full frontal nudity.

Tell that to MJ Snow who says the vulva/vagina cannot be seen at all without “ridiculous” camera angles. Tell that to other female commenters who are insecure about vagina exposure so they try to bargain with men by suggesting boobs are good enough, and vagina exposure is automatically “porn” (yes, there are women who claimed Trance is “porn” because of Rosario Dawson exposing her genitals). But please warn these vaginally-insecure women that they might vomit when watching Trance because they will see *that* body part exposed which they have total disgust over.

A Plea for More Male Nudity on Game of Thrones (this one is written by a MAN!)

http://www.vulture.com/2013/03/plea-for-more-male-nudity-on-game-of-thrones.html

I’m sure he’s straight!! Congrats for the separate posts to make sure she got to 200 posts. They can call for all the male nudity they want but still cowher behind merkins and shadows “or those weird” camera angles. I call for actual equality but there’s that phobia we have grown so accustom to here with women. With the four separate posts within a short time I have a sneaking suspicion that you and MJ hang out.

Game of Thrones actress Carice Van Houten calls for more male nudity in Westeros
http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/game-thrones-actress-carice-van-houten-calls-more-192000526.html

Again, the only male nudity they see as nudity graphic nudity. Something not required by females. Talk about inequality – that is the real inequality! Keep the tits and pubes/wig, give us visible vulva!!

“‘Game of Thrones’ star Kit Harington advocates more male nudity on the show: ‘It’s only right’ The British actor, who plays Jon Snow, maintains that the show should be more equitable in showing skin. “It’s only right, if you’re going to make a show where nudity and sex is a large part of it, that you be a part of that,” Harington told the April issue of GQ.” http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/kit-haringon-male-nudity-game-thrones-article-1.1734560

Stop asking for male genital shots (graphic nudity) as if its the equivalent of female breasts and pubes/wig. If you want dick shots go get your fill watching porn. Cant believe the double standard. Demanding male graphic nudity as some kind of equality to female non-graphic nudity. What kind of idiotic reasoning is this?

Who are you to decide what is graphic or not? A nude form is a nude form. A woman unclothed is just as nude as a man unclothed. You are drawing lines where there need be none. I agree that if sex and nudity are a part of the show then male nudity should be shown as well. Note, I did not say don’t show any part of a woman, both should be shown equally. Sorry to disappoint you but your penis is not sacred ground. It is just a penis. Boobs and vulvas are just that too. In fact,… Read more »

2 things: most people trim their pubes in this millenium. The “nude” female forms you’re referring to are usually not nude because they are wearing a synthetic pubic hair wig. Even if it was real hair it’s still less graphic than genitals. I am not deciding that, just observing through the use of logic.

If we want so see naked bodies just for the sake of it there is a lot of that in the internet! Sometimes it’s disturbing that they are showing nudity all time like if this was the only interest to see a TV show or a film. There should be lees nudity in general, specially when it is gratuitous or doesn’t add to the story, but the way they hide the man body that is just ridiculous as well. And over all, it should be treated with naturalness.

I’m really surprised at the criticism this article is getting. Here in the UK, we don’t really worry so much about nudity on television. It’s never been as much of an issue as it is for you Americans. It’s fascinating for us Brits to see how much store you attach to nudity. As a country based around freedom, it still seems that you somehow cling to your Puritanical roots. Further, this is an **opinion** piece, it doesn’t need facts. If the writer wants to see more penis, she has a right to her opinion. Why are you people attacking her… Read more »

FYI even though the UK is so much more progressive, there are people on this thread and many others like it from your region that have expressed outcry about seeing a penis every 10 minutes on “channel 4” while vulva remains an elusive creature.

The people that have issues with nudity are vaginally-insecure women. That is why they are desperate to compare penises to boobs. The only equal to the penis is the vagina, yet women have difficulty conceding that. Can you tell us why since women usually ignore this fact? If the author wants more penises, fine. She has a right to her opinion, as you said. But why is it when men call for VAGINA to be shown do women cower in fear? Why do they insist on breasts being good enough? Why do they lie and claim vaginas are totally invisible… Read more »

Again, who said anything about restricting vaginas? Show all the vaginas you want (which by the way is a misnomer, the vagina is the internal part of the vulva and it would be hard to get a good shot of that on television). Most women do not have a problem with naked women, or naked men. You are making an assumption based on what you think women mean by saying there are lots of boobs, where are the penises? The point is, men have their eye candy, where is ours?

Perhaps men are only content with the same calibur of eye candy you are? You still arent debunking the argument for the use of equivalent homologous parts. Wouldn’t ripped abs, pecs, and butts be eye candy for women? oh… it has to be penis?

The valid point the commentors are making is that Snow’s ‘opinion piece’ is severely flawed. That is it. People are nanoyd because she ignorantly drums up the bullshit notion that ONLY females again are ‘exposed’. She’s trying to, laughably, tell us that HBO should show more dick (and it already does!), because it would only be fare for female viewers. Her entire argument rests on the premise that female non-graphic nudity (breasts and pubes/wig) is somehow equal to male graphic nudity (even asking for erections!!!). What a horrible neglect of common sense.

Ignorantly classing non-genital body parts as actually being genitalia… Comparing apples to oranges in a poor effort to support/make an unsubstantiated and baseless argument… Failing to see a difference between graphic and non-graphic levels of nudity… And last but not least, writing articles on the Internet asking for pornographic levels of male nudity…

If you think these are the hallmarks of a “well-written” and “intelligent” article, then you must think Dr. Seuss books are Shakespearean works of literature.

Who decides what is graphic and not? This is a ridiculous argument. Boobs don’t equal penis? So what? Who are you to decide what equals what? Get over your penis insecurity.

There’s a little (well-known) organization you may have heard of called The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), and they are the one’s who have defined what classifies as “graphic” nudity. I agree with their definition on the matter as well as my–same–assertions in all of my posts. In addition, breasts are not genitalia, a penis is. They are not equal, nor are they the same. You see, It’s not a decision on what’s equal, it’s using common sense. Still confused? Find a computer and Google “MPAA guidelines”, then, Google human reproductive anatomy. While your at, look at as many… Read more »

Di you read the news where GIRLS just got slapped by HBO and was told to cut back on the nudity! One of our writers may just turn that into an HBOWatch post so keep your one-eyed jack out for it.

Wow. Who knew that asking to see a few more penises on tv could cause such an uproar? It’s been more than six months since this piece was originally posted and the arguments and author bashing are still going strong. There seems to be a few individuals on here that just can’t bear to let it go. It’s great to see the passion they exude in their quest to demand that penises be equated to vulvas and not boobs, but seriously, is it worth getting this worked up about? The generalizations, moments of speaking on behalf of entire genders and… Read more »
We are not calling for less cocks. We are calling for cunts to be shown as well, yet the thought of such a thing repulses people even though men are not asking for anything more than what women are asking for. If you want more D, fine. Show the P (pussy) as well so that neither gender feels like they are getting the shaft. Why is it so difficult for people to comprehend this? Also, if you are accusing anyone of name calling and generalizing a gender, you should direct that to the author. She states that the reason why… Read more »

Thank you Shane. My thoughts exactly!

If you are referring to name calling then yes you got me. I simply was responding to the statement that if you go against the author then you must have penis size insecurities or you feel you don’t measure up. Or that fact that the author said she would break it down in bullets so that even the “dumb” could understand. But yet I get called immature for responding in like fashion and yet she herself resorted to name calling. It’s like playing the race card or in this argument the size card when you have nothing left to say.… Read more »
I’m just not able to understand why the men commenting on this post think that the women are uncomfortable with vaginas/vulvas being shown on TV, or otherwise. I’m fine with that, bring it on. I’m comfortable with my own body, and other women’s bodies. I have zero issue there. Please stop putting words in our mouths, I can’t find one female commenter (with the exceptions of Jessica Dawson who seems to just want to be on the boys’ team) on this post who is expressing fear over the idea of vaginas being shown. That is utterly ridiculous and as I… Read more »
Rosario Dawson’s labia majora and clitoral hood were visible in the movie Trance, and she was standing straight, her legs NOT spread. Ever heard of Playboy, MJ? Same thing. No leg spreading, yet very easily seen labia majora, labia minora, clitoral hood. And it’s silly, MJ, that you now are ok with vaginas being shown. Not long ago, you posted how ridiculous it is to compare a vulva to a penis because you’d need certain camera angles to see a vulva and it would be ridiculous to do such a thing, yet your article praised how close up and lingering… Read more »

Dear God
I haven’t been on this discussion for a while. Still nice to see MJ Snow being torn a new one. I see she’s diverting like crazy now that she’s been found out. Couldn’t cough up evidence of (unobscured) pussy shots shown on TV/main stream cinema, yet still asking for dick to be shown. Yeah… the ol’ tits for dicks mantra. Still nice to see her trying to spin it though; only to be ground down by the facts though.

Lol. Do you even know what a Vulva is and the — visible — parts it includes? And are you honestly going to continue with this ridiculous BS that the Labia Majora and the Labia Minora and Clitoral Hood ARE NOT visible on most groomed women? All of these parts are perfectly visible on “real” women with most of their pubic hair removed. Apparently you’re the one with the deluded sense of what a “real” woman’s genitals look like. Google “Vulva”, you may learn something… Your last paragraph clearly shows your bitter “its payback time for men” agenda. Sadly, you… Read more »
Maybe if you’ve got your legs spread, you could see the labia minora and clitoral hood, but not if you’re standing, laying down with your legs somewhat together, or if they were to choose their camera angles carefully. Jessica, you may have labia minora that drag on the ground when you walk, but the majority of women do not. I do know what a vulva is, thank you. You don’t need to be a gynecologist to know that, I did take health class in high school. You can argue all day long, but you still won’t be correct. Women can… Read more »

yes you can, you just making the usual excuse, you can see a female labia when she’s just standing nude,(same as a man parts) she doesn’t have to spread

Your simply a pathetic individual. Again you swipe at all those who disagree with your article. We bow to your marvelous knowledge matter and admit that we know nothing compared to the almighty MJ. Quite pathetic. I wonder why you can’t present any facts? Maybe it’s because you don’t have any and your actually upset that several men called you out on your agenda. Or maybe I should go as low as you and suggest you have small breasts, a pot belly and thunder thighs.

Randy… you should go further than just this. As penis size seem to matter MJ Snow, then I guess average (most guys) wouldn’t be good enough for her. You know what they say… “hippo poles for hippo holes”.

HAHAHA! Actually I’m in good shape, have a nice figure and I’ve never had trouble getting a date. But nice try. I have no agenda. I simply think that we should see an equal ratio of male to female nudity. My opinion. I’m sorry it makes you so upset and defensive. It’s immature to have to resort to name calling, but I can see that is all you have to fall back on, as you don’t have a leg to stand on in this conversation. I’m not presenting any facts? Neither are you? Where are your stats? I’d like to… Read more »
Uhm… Until someone has done a statistically accepted study on the number of visible female genitalia vs male genitalia, all anyone can do is to present a hypothesis. And to do so, you present substantiation, i.e. evidence So here goes; I present that their are much more, several times more male graphic nudity shown in mainstream TV and film than there are of female graphic nudity. The definition of graphic nudity, in any general sense of the meaning, implies partial or clearly visible skin of the genitalia. Breasts, buttocks or body parts otherwise non-genital, from either male or female, are… Read more »

Scary thing is…i don’t think most of the men even understand their own reaction to this article. Why are you so mad that women would like genitalia equality? I haven’t seen a single argument that makes a lick of sense. If you are male and offended by this article, ask yourself why?

What I don’t understand is that you seem to think that the male actors would just be okay with showing their erect penises on screen. You can’t “act” an erection, which means they’d actually have to be aroused for the scene. Do you think they’ll want that?

This is just a female, I’m allowed to mock trait, if men complained as much as women do about same sex nudity, men would have a voice on the subject, but most men are weasels, if TV showed female genitalia and male gentitalia was taboo, women whould be organising marches, my argument is, if your allowed to see male genitalia, then you should be allowed to see female genitalia, it is the equvalent, if mans was inny and womans was outy, the same thing would be happening and you would have a different excuse, you always have excuses, a womans… Read more »
If breasts and penises are not equal, as most of the men are suggesting, what male part is equivalent to the female breasts? Pecs? no. Butt? no. Penis? no. Balls? yes. I guess we should be fighting to see balls then. Or maybe there shouldn’t be so many boobs being shown. Why is it okay and normal to see exposed breasts but see nothing of the guy? Why do some men think that straight women are okay with seeing boobsboobsboobs all the time? I’m straight, I have no interest in seeing boobs other than my own. Boys, I don’t think… Read more »

a mans nipples is the equivalent to a womans nipples, they should be band from the screen, stop making the rules up the way you want to, or lets ban breasts ( your doing that anyway) and start showing vaginas, thats a good solution.

No, what we are saying is penis/balls are not equal to boobs. Penis/balls equal labia, vulva, vagina. Why is it so difficult for women to understand this unless they are incredibly insecure about the pussy to allow that body part to be shown? 1 cock = 1 cunt It’s that simple. Boobs are NOT genitals, so if you are arguing for “genital equality”, don’t bring up boobs. 10 boobs do not equal 1 penis. Neither would 100. Or 1000. How about we say let’s show 10 male butts for 1 vagina and call that even? Are you ok with that?… Read more »

Like I asked, are breasts equal to a man’s chest? no. Also, I never said breasts are the same as genitalia, who cares if they aren’t genitalia? We are asking for sexual/nudity equality, not genitalia equality…

Boobs and balls are the equivalent physically, but of course, no one wants to look at balls whereas men want to look at boobs. If there is no equivalent, then I guess your vote is: no boobs. Unless you’re a sexist of course.

I fucking care that their not genitalia you scum pig, full frontal male is the equivalent to full frontal female, whatever rules you try to make up.

Wait, so now you don’t want genital equality? In your first post, you talk about women wanting genitalia equality, now all of a sudden, you don’t? Which is it? Also, balls are genitals, so they are not equal to boobs. In fact, testicles are equal to ovaries, and you see neither. You only see the scrotum, which is analogous to a woman’s labia and made out of the same embryonic tissue. If you don’t find balls appealing to look at, that would explain why women are so disgusted at the site of the vulva since essentially what you see is… Read more »
meh, i used “genitalia equality” loosely. you are splitting hairs and being super literal, so fine, call it sexual/nudity equality if it makes you feel better. I think my knowledge of male and women parts is superior to yours, so, yes I know “literally” balls and ovaries are equal, but when you compare them physically to external body parts, balls are equal to boobs. To answer your question: TV shows a lot of boobs, hence the argument here to show more male parts vs only showing female parts. If you’re okay with TV only showing female parts and no male… Read more »
Well if this doesn’t prove women are insecure about vaginas, I don’t know what will. MJ falsely states that women are not uncomfortable with vaginas being shown on tv, yet you seem to prove her wrong time and time again. Balls are not equal to boobs any more than men’s butts are equal to vaginas. Compare equal body parts. And please don’t back track about what you said about “genitalia equality”. Now that you know it means women would have to expose their vaginas, you want no part of that discussion so you change the subject. And I never said… Read more »

omg you’re a moron.

So I guess since you don’t have any valid argument for not showing vaginas that it means you fear them. Great, you’ve proven my point. MJ can no longer say women on this message board are uncomfortable with vagina exposure since you clearly are.

And I wouldn’t go around calling people morons if you compare a man’s balls to a woman’s boobs or claim 10 boobs are equal to 1 penis, all in the name of keeping the vagina hidden.

Vagiphobia alive and well here.

The fact that you think you said anything intelligible proves everyone else’s points and that you’re an idiot.

What I said is intelligible, that’s why you can’t come up with a legit and intelligent response. You’re certainly not denying your fear of vaginas.

what is fear of vaginas? I’m not sure how a woman could have that. Must be nice to be anonymous, craven.

What is fear of vagina you ask? Easy. It’s when a female writer complains that there are not enough penis shots on tv and wants more, yet does not acknowledge that vagina shots on tv are almost non-existent. It’s when a commenter refuses to compare 1 vagina to 1 penis, but wants 10 boobs equal to 1 penis so that vaginas never have to be shown. It’s when 4 dumb girls starring in a video arguing for more penis on tv to achieve “genital equality” yet never mention vaginas, vulvas, labia, clitoris, but only mention boobs – as if boobs… Read more »

I double that None! I think this the best post by some margin. MJ Snow and reincarnates should pay attention and continue from this. But they wouldn’t; neither they or Jef (editor?) or whoever would dare. Or have the talent for that matter. Its absolutely unbelievable how they avoid presenting evidence, drumming up a loosing nonfactual rhetoric.

Excellent post, None! I completely agree with everything you said, although, it might be far too much common sense, logic, and fact for Serahe (aka MJ Snow), Shane (aka MJ Snow), and Evie_L (aka MJ Snow) to follow.

Also, the “Honi Soit vagina” photo is a superior example! Unfortunately, MJ Snow 1, 2, 3, and 4 wouldn’t have a clue as what she/they were looking at. After all, they all ignorantly claim a Vulva can’t easily be seen…

My thoughts exactly. There is no valid reason given for NOT showing male genitalia on TV, not by any of these commenters, yet they accuse us girls of being insecure? It’s quite funny, actually.

And you, MJ Snow, haven’t give ANY reason why it should. Crazy as batshit.

No valid reason huh? You must have about 10 extra arseholes by now; because dear god you have been torn up soooooo many times for saying this exact shit. You are clearly a troll, and that on your own article as well. Tisk tisk tisk. Its plain and simple. You cannot demand genital equality by asking for more inequality, like you and your article is asking for. You have now further perpetuated the complete lie that there is somehow an inequality of male vs female nudity, when you know full well that males show far more graphic nudity than females.… Read more »
What’s funny is you still don’t present any valid facts and you accuse men in this article of being insecure. Your “facts” are breast vs genital nudity, very pathetic and juvenile. There is also NO VALID REASON for women not bare all but they continue to HIDE in the shadows and behind fake pubic hair. Whats really funny is that you dismiss many arguments that you know have valid points just to booster your “article” and push your agenda. Male genitala is shown far more frequently and far more graphically then any female has been shown. You know it and… Read more »
In addition to what Randy said, it’s not so much that the female author of this article is comparing women’s fake pubic hair with men’s penises, but she is actually comparing women’s BREASTS to men’s penises in arguing for “genital equality” – as did those 4 dumb girls in the college humor video. As if breasts are now “genitals.” I think it is time for women to ask themselves why they are so insecure about vaginas that they are now using their breasts as “genital” substitutes. I personally would welcome genital equality with open arms and if we are to… Read more »
Really? We don’t understand. I think it’s the women that don’t understand here. Partial nudity to full graphic nudity is not the same or can’t you grasp that concept? It’s not genitalia equality by a long shot. Men are always show fully nude while women hide behind fake pubic hair and the vulva is never exposed. So there is your alleged equality. Funny how guys are always shown shaved and fully graphic and women desperately try to compare breasts to genital nudity. If you can’t see that then you apparently are just like all the other women that post hear,… Read more »

Game of Thrones star Sibel Kekilli wants more male nudity in the show. She is yet another actress to call for more male characters to bare all. Read the article by Neela Debnath http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/game-of-thrones-star-sibel-kekilli-wants-more-male-nudity-in-the-show-9194343.html

She and the other actresses should call for females to bare all for a change – sorry, fake pubic hair covering the vulva is not nudity. And please don’t tell me she was yet another vaginally insecure woman that falsely compares women’s breasts to men’s penises.

Once we start seeing vulva shots, instead of fake female pubic hair, to balance out all the penis shots in shows and movies, then she and others can call for more males to bare all.

What is up with this fear of the vulva? Quite pathetic.

Not all actresses wear merkins. Some do, yes, but it is not uncommon for actresses to truly bare all.

I don’t think Sibel has a fear of the vulva. She used to be a porn actress before she did GOT. Try googling “Sibel Kekilli porn” if you want to see how comfortable she is with her vulva.

It is not uncommon for actresses to truly bare all? Really? And I did google Sibel Kikelli porn and she has a landing strip of pubic hair, not the 1970’s shag carpet merkin we are used to seeing in R rated movies and shows. Funny, in some of her photos, she is standing straight with her labia minora and labia majora in full view. So much for your theory that female genitals are completely invisible without ridiculous camera angles. And it’s silly for you to say actresses truly bare all or that actresses would not have issues baring all. Just… Read more »

“Not all actresses wear merkins. Some do, yes, but it is not uncommon for actresses to truly bare all.”

All that’s needs to be said is LOL. If that line were true it may have given a bit a validity to your “article.” Every full frontal I have seen in a non porn movie and she has a bush big enough to trap a small animal in.

You seem desperate when you put lines like that in, that you know do not have a spec of truth.

Congratulations to Evie L, posts approximately 20 comments in one night and proves absolutely nothing. Glad you have an opinion but like MJ you present a non factual argument. Go troll somewhere else.

Shall I count up how many posts you made on your six accounts?

Since I only post under this name it should be easy for your little mind to add up

Lol.

Have a great idea for all of you. How about you just go get porn and allow everyone else to watch a normal TV show without full frontal fucking anything. I don’t think we should be jumping on to objectify someone else it’s just ridiculous. My entire world doesn’t revolve around sex, and when I want to watch people do it I’ll go get a porn. It would be really awesome to not be completely uncomfortable every time I watch a show with family or friends come on get real. Their catering to children and as an adult I’m being… Read more »

I highly question the validity of the statement you put for your name if that’s your whole argument.

Are we arguing over the objectification of a man’s penis? Oh boo hoo. Women have been dealing with being treated as mere
sexual objects since the dawn of time. Equality for both sexes is still far from an accomplished goal. The people demanding more graphic displays of vaginas need mental help to deal with their own penis size insecurities.

Eva, does that mean women who demand more graphic displays of a penis need mental help to deal with their own wide vagina and larger than normal labia minora insecurities? I’m just trying to follow your logic here…

Maybe I’m the odd one, but I always viewed men who wish to see ALL of a woman’s body as just being a bunch of normal healthy heterosexual males. This is not a bad or evil thing.

And for the record, men were completely objectified all throughout history as well, especially in Greek and Roman societies, learn your history.

None. Eva appears to be another woman calling for equality but doesn’t have a factual argument to stand on. Just an uneducated rant about women are so beat down and not respected. Oh and let’s throw in a jab at the penis size, because that’s the real issue, wow you are such a good mind reader. Not one person here has brought up breast size and attempted to make fun of the opposite sex. So either you are a complete and utter idiot or you are 12 years old. The argument is genital vs genital nudity or can’t you read.… Read more »
Actually, the author of this article (a woman) demands more graphic penis shots, including erect penises, yet she and you and other women cannot stand the thought of someone calling for graphic vagina shots – you know, equal nudity. And actually, MEN have been objectified since the dawn of time. Just take a look at paintings, statues, sculptures from ancient history depicting the nude male, fully nude with genitals out, broad shoulders, six pack, etc, while women in art have been covered, certainly their genitals have been, but sometimes completely covered. The only reason why you think only women have… Read more »

And you actually sound like a total moron. Making a sculpture of a man had nothing to do with objective of man please for the love of God read a book. Wow, just ignorant.

It’s not “objective”, it’s OBJECTIFICATION. It is still objectification of the male form even if it’s a sculpture, and a lot of the paintings and sculptures were of real people (did you think they had cameras back then?), and often exaggerated the male form (six pack, broad shoulders, etc.), which objectifies males. I think you need to read a book, moron.

Manflesh!

No, we want WOMANflesh for a change! Not breasts or fake pubic hair, but full vagina/vulva/labia shots. That would make things a bit more”equal”, much to the chagrin of vagina-insecure women everywhere, especially those who ridiculously compare a woman’s breasts to a man’s penis.

What is this, the latest MRA meme? The equivalent to incidental male nudity is incidental female nudity. You don’t see “full vagina/vulva/labia shots” when a female character, say, gets out of the bath, but you would see a male character’s penis.

Apparently, you’ve never seen the movie Trance where Rosario Dawson’s entire vulva was visible when she walks out of the bathroom.

And it’s laughable that you would claim male nudity is “incidental”. Just re-read MJ Snow’s article where she praises the show Shameless for showing an extended close up of a man’s penis. Is this “incidental” to you? Sounds more like deliberate, not incidental.

Just admit it, the vulva scares people while the penis doesn’t, especially to vagina-insecure women (and there are PLENTY of these women in our society).

You don’t know what “incidental nudity” means, do you? I just looked up the clip you mentioned and she has a completely shaved vulva. You see her mons pubis and outer labia, which is what you’ll see on most women who are standing upright and completely shaved/pubic hair trimmed short. It’s the same as you see on Osha in game of thrones, by the way, which is bizarre because a full bush would suit the character better. You do not see her clitoris, inner labia or vagina, and you wouldn’t, on most women, unless you had them lie down and… Read more »
Well I have the privilege of owning Trance on BluRay and you see Rosario Dawson’s outer labia, vaginal slit, and clitoral hood – you know, the foreskin covering the clitoris. If what you did was see the scene online, there are a ton of sites that still have the blurry photos shot when someone took pics in the movie theater, which wouldn’t look as clear as on BluRay or even DVD. This movie was screened for Hollywood distributers and they all wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole – I wonder what these vagiphobes in Hollywood were so afraid… Read more »

Ignorant!

What? Being a heterosexual woman who enjoys looking at naked men is “ignorant” now?

Yeah you just proved that earlier statement. Let’s try and be a comedian cause you don’t have a factual argument. I won’t go that low cause apparently I’m talking to a child.

“Factual”?

Fact: Even without pubic hair, on an upright naked woman with her legs together you will usually only see the outer labia. With pubic hair, you’ll pretty much just see hair.
Fact: On an upright naked man, regardless of pubic hair, you can generally see his penis.

Are you arguing that an upright naked woman is somehow “less naked” an upright naked man? That is not “factual”, it’s an opinion, and a bizarre one at that.

A narrow mind and a wide vagina you have. Troll

Yes, I can see you’re a troll, but thanks for saying so plainly.

You are so ignorant there isn’t words to describe. Glad you carry the intelligence of a child. How’s MJ by the way? You two obvisouly took the same sex ed course or lack thereof. Just another vaginally insecure woman grasping to somehow equate partial female nudity to full graphic male nudity.

If MJ Snow taught sex education, she would teach you “boys have a penis, girls have boobs.” I was always taught boys have a penis, girls have a vagina. If you are calling for more cocks in movies and shows, it’s time to show cunts in movies and shows. Please don’t compare women’s breasts to men’s penises because not only does that make you look foolish, it shows how insecure you are when it comes to vaginas. Also, in many parts of the US, it’s legal for women to be topless out in public – in New York for example,… Read more »
How in the world would you know what MJ Snow would teach if she taught a sex education class? What gives you the right to impose your condescending attitude and presume to know what this author’s thoughts would be and what does speculating about them even have to do with this article? One thing that’s obvious is that she has a much better understanding of male and female anatomy than you do. You say you want to see more vagina in films and shows? You do know what a vagina is, right? Um, it’s INTERNAL. How, pray tell, would you… Read more »
Shane were sorry did we offend your friend MJ or maybe it’s MJ in disguise. Impressive rant for a uneducated feminist. If you took time to read the article then maybe you would see the argument is pathetic and not comparative. But looking at the facts and actual statements would require more intelligence than the average female that posts on this site. You have proved just how much of an idiot you are by making this silly statement. 99% of anyone over the age of 9 has a better understanding of sex and genital nudity than MJ. So thanks for… Read more »
Vagina, vulva, it was meant to be used to refer to the same thing. And yes I do know what kind of camera angles are needed to see the VULVA (happy?). The same exact camera angles shown in the TV show Shameless where a man’s penis was shown up close for an extended amount of time – you know, the same scene the author of this article made mention of. Exactly like that and you would be able to see every single part of the female anatomy at those angles. Besides, what’s the point of using a merkin (fake pubic… Read more »

Using a merkin? The most recent mention I saw of one of those was an article mentioning how the actress who played Osha did not wear one, though she thought it would suit her character better if she had.

You know, after hearing so many guys, over the years, claim they would like to be objectified, it’s pretty amusing to watch them squirm as soon as someone actually suggests it.

CLEARLY, the original poster used the word “vagina” as slang for “vulva”, which is quite often done in our society.

Just because slang is often used in our society, it doesn’t make it correct or accurate. And no, the assumption was not CLEAR that the poster was, in fact, using it as slang. Once again, third party presumptions are being made. Without questioning the poster directly, there is no way of truly knowing if they were using slang or if this is what they believe to be fact. I was basing my comment on their own written words. If they actually meant something other than what they typed, well, then they should have used different terminology.

Well, there you have it, the original poster clarified what they meant. They were talking about a “Pussy”. And yes, I’m using slang, but when I say the word “Pussy”, (in slang), I’m talking about the whole enchilada! (more slang),

The mons pubis, the labia majora and the labia minora, clitoris, clitoral glans and the clitoral hood, the urinary meatus, the vaginal orifice… In short, the entire visible Vulva which most seem to think is invisible.

What on earth kind of woman has all that stuff visible while standing up, even if she is shaved bare the way you little boys like it? Er, “Jessica”. Haha.

I don’t know what show you’ve been watching, but there have definitely been vulva shots on GoT.

To be honest, I’m not sure what point you and most of the dudes here are trying to make. Are you seriously arguing that showing boobs don’t count as frontal nudity for women? It sounds to me like you’re just uncomfortable with the idea of nude penises on the show, and you’re trying desperately to rationalize that.

Showing boobs is not “full frontal” nudity, if anything, it’s just partial nudity – similar to showing butts. As I mention, in many places in the US like New York, it’s perfectly legal for women to be topless out in public, meaning it doesn’t even count as nude. Vaginally insecure women are desperate to compare breasts to penises, which makes as much sense as comparing a man’s butt to a woman’s vulva. These are not equal parts. Until we start seeing clear shots of labia majora, labia minora, clitoral hood/clitoris, vaginal slit, you know, the outer portions of female genitalia,… Read more »

Showing a naked woman, standing up and facing the camera, is equivalent to showing a naked man standing up and facing the camera.

Showing a man from below with his legs spread to give a full view of his balls and taint is equivalent to what you want. I think that’s rather undignified and inappropriate outside porn, don’t you?

The problem with your argument is male genitalia has already been shown to what you describe as “porn” – close up, lingering, and intrusive camera angles (Shameless for one, and pretty much a ton of recent R rated comedies for example), while female genitals have not. And please, using the taint to compare it with female genitals is stupid. We are not asking for a woman’s taint to be shown – just her vulva, which is very visible from the front (and in particular, from the rear). How does Playboy manage to show the vulva very clearly yet not show… Read more »

If you could see all the things you asked for: “clear shots of labia majora, labia minora, clitoral hood/clitoris, vaginal slit,” you’d see taint and asshole as well, because that requires a spreadeagled shot. Not very familiar with female anatomy, are you? Just repeating the words you learned in sex ed last week?

You see what is visible from the front all the damn time. By the way, women actually do grow real pubic hair, you know, and they don’t do it just to annoy you.

Actually there Lova there hasn’t been one vulva shot on Game of Thrones as I have watched all three seasons. Or do you not know what a vulva is? Every shot of these naked women is conveniently covered by shadows or a pubic wig so nothing is visible. But there was three shots of the male penis with all of these men shaved, apparently that’s what these guys did back then. So there has not been one shot of the female genitala on the Game of Thrones. The fact is genital nudity ( penis shot) does not compare to non… Read more »

Uh, what you’re looking at in those shots is the vulva. The outer labia are part of the vulva. It’s like claiming you didn’t see someone’s mouth because the tongue wasn’t showing.

Why does this topic upset you so much? It’s really psychologically fascinating.

Uh, apparently you are like every other woman that post here. The vulva is never exposed on TV or movies, just because you think it is doesn’t make it fact. Great analogy too. My earlier comments prove true. What is actually psychologically fascinating is the vagina phobia you women have and yet I don’t have time to respond to every ignorant comment you made other than to point out that another woman posts without a FACTUAL ARGUMENT. Get over yourself and present a valid argument and not rants and ignorant swipes.

That’s funny, because I’ve seen many, many naked women on GoT, and whatever is visible from the front on women with groomed pubic hair, is visible. I have been in many a ladies’ dressing room and sauna, and contrary to what you imagine, women do not walk around in with their clitorises, labia minora and “vaginal slits” hanging out in plain view. What you see on HBO is quite representative. Sorry to disappoint. I only ask to see as many men walking around in the nude. I’m not asking them to get into undignified and pornographic poses. I don’t even… Read more »

Ok MJ

Haha you must be a real fucktard! We call for equality u motherfucker! if you want women to be shown raped and beaten from all body angles ur promoting rapist culture u motherfucker!

I just saw the movie the Black Book on Stars last night. I was disgusted by the full frint male nudity. Maybe it was because the actor was un-attractive. However, I think it needs to be left for rated x movies. I feel Americans are not ready for that much exposure to the human body.

MJ, your article is completely void of comparative argument. The definition of full frontal nudity is… of a nude person exposing the genitals to full view… All out; unrestrained. Both sexes have the 3 B’s…breasts, butt, bush. The only true difference between the sexes is the genitalia. Both American TV and film have been exposing the male genitalia for over forty years. The female genitalia has NEVER been seen on American TV or film. And, since many females are now shaving their pubic area, the merkin industry is taking on a new importance. The penis and testicles are now allowed… Read more »

“. The penis and testicles are now allowed to be shown up close, for an extended period of time and in a semi-erect state.” What the hell kind of TV are you watching?

Basically mainstream R-rated Hollywood films, which will show the penis in this erect state, even shaved completely and up close while being scared to death of showing the vulva/vagina in this very manner – no doubt Hollywood is run by a bunch of vagiphobes, similar to a bunch of women on this site.

Where can I find the songs from episode 2?!

English would be great.

la comparaison entre la nudité complète de l’homme versus la nudité
partielle de la femme m’a semblé totalement ridicule, c’est pourquoi je
n’ai pas pris plus de mon temps pour transmettre mon opinion en anglais
—–> Google translate, if you are curious.

le pénis est, au contraire, bien trop affiché! pratiquement tout les films non pornographiques contenant de la nudité complète font l’éloge du membre masculin! spartacus est la série par execllence pour se qui est de montrer le pénis, mais ne vous attendez pas a voir une vulve, au non! les vulves son tous cachées par du faux poils pubiens ou des bijoux. Cet exemple est valable pour pratiquement tous les films et séries du genre! voyez par vous même! -Pink Flamingos (1972) de John Waters, contenant une scène de fellation homosexuelle pratiquée par l’acteur Divine sur l’acteur Danny Mills. -L’Empire… Read more »

Jim is this article as about violence and how it is portrayed on tv, cable, and the movies I would have to agree. However, this article is about the alleged “inequality” of nudity between men and women. And when I use the term “article” I use it very loosely. The or the pathetic attempt to compare graphic full male nudity to partial female nudity, ie topless, is down right laughable.

It’s not only “topless”. That I can think of there’s 3 female full frontals in the latest season. I believe that’s the same number of male full frontals (IF you even count Hodor) as you see in the entire 3 seasons. If there’s a nude female in a scene her naked body is always viewable through the entire scene, rather she’s relevant or not. The females are usually attractive, in shape, and -mentally capable-. There’s also the fact that most sex scenes are portrayed with the female being the…giver. I’d like to see an attractive male in motion as much… Read more »

Eleanor, are any of these females vulva’s (vagina’s [slang]) actually visible?

I don’t recall any of the scenes you mentioned, BUT I have yet to see any visible female genitalia on this show, only penises.

Your point about “partial, non-genital” female nudity is taken, but the women on this show have never had to have their actual genitals exposed like the men have.

It’s not “full” frontal nudity without visible genitalia. I don’t know why people can’t use any -effing- logic on this one…

How many accounts do you have?

Fucking retarded u must be. burn in hell

I really don’t know why nudity is a problem with so many people. It seems odd to me that nudity of any sort is considered less problematic then say showing someone be decapitated. If we are thinking about what is worse, you know violent murders or bodies without clothes on I know where my opinion falls. How odd it is that people feel the need to censor out a penis, boob, or vagina while leaving scenes where the ‘hero’ mows down badies with an automatic rifle completely untouched. Such odd priorities…

Nudity isn’t a problem for me, but I understand and respect the feelings (without questioning them) of those who do have a problem with seeing nudity.

Just because your moral sense doesn’t allow you to relate to those individuals, doesn’t make them wrong or silly (i.e. “they can handle violence and gore, but they can’t handle nudity…”)

As an editor and writer for this site. I wish I had substanial facts for you, though I don’t know what substantial facts you are looking for. I won’t speak for the writer of the piece except to say I’m sure it was not meant as a scientific post about anatomical details. What is does prove to me is that it is amazing how fired up people get about nudity in this country. All 70+ comments have proved quite amusing. I’m even surprised at how sexually literate most of you are and I think the amusement I find is the… Read more »

The substantial facts we are looking for are pretty clear. Graphic male nudity to actual graphic female nudity. I would venture to guess it wouldn’t be close by a long shot. But we won’t visit that as it makes more sense to write and disguise personal bias as literature. Let’s see if HBO will actually compare apples to apples and present a factual article. I would also venture to guess that this to will go unanswered.

And you would be wrong.
There are no statistics, at least available to us, determining the percentage difference between female/male genitalia appearing on the channel. Sorry about that. Since you are so fascinated you can do that research for us. We’d love to know what you come up with. Until then I guess there is nothing more to say.

Jef, you would have to accept fact and reality first.

As a “non-editor” and “non-writer”; just an everyday person with common sense… One doesn’t need “substantial facts” to see the childishly ignorant comparisons MJ Snow made in her article (i.e. genital and non-genital
body parts, as well as entirely different levels of graphic and non-graphic
nudity).

Jef, if you can’t see the fallacies her article is full of, combined with her ignorant comparison of apples to oranges as some “inequality”, then, as an “editor” and “writer”, you obviously can’t read.

I don’t see where I claimed not to see fallacies in the post. I am simply saying, and not simply enough I guess, that it is a fluff piece and was meant to stir up comments. It evidently accomplished that quite well.

Thank you and everyone for their contribution.

It’s a “fluff piece” … “meant to stir up comments”? Jef, I thought you didn’t want to speak for the writer? MJ Snow — admittedly — has a key interest and passion on the topic of sex and nudity, which hardly qualifies this as “fluff”. If this article were “fluff”, then the words in her article would show a complete lack of interest about the topic, hence, one of the reasons why I’m questioning you reading and comprehension skills. Jef, you may think you’re being clever, but you’re not. I would class you as a Johnny-come-lately, but even that would… Read more »
Actually, this article was exactly what Jef said, meant to stir up controversy and get people commenting. Jef is correct in saying there are no statistics available, but even if there were, who cares? Yes he is clever, that’s why he writes for this site and you don’t. There is no reason to be disrespectful of someone offering a valid opinion. In my opinion, you cannot compare topless women to topless men. That means we should be seeing more penis shots, to somewhat balance out the massive amount of boobs we see on television. I never addressed vulva shots, because… Read more »
I heard Rosario Dawson’s vulva (in the movie Trance) was extremely difficult to film. So difficult, they managed to get two great shots of it on film. And can you believe it, no fancy camera angles were needed and no bright lighting was used. She must have one of those extremely rare vulvas that every other woman is born without. Seriously, you do realize you are accusing others in here of getting all “fired up” and “ridiculous” over the very same topic you seem to be all “fired up” and “ridiculous” about as well, right? Isn’t that your article at… Read more »
Lol, what? You actually believe someone comparing like for like (penis and vulva, stating something factual as many have done in here) is ridiculous? But then you believe your ignorant and obnoxious comparison of non-genital with genital body parts is not ridiculous? What takes the hypocritical cake, though, is the fact that you actually have the nerve to accuse others in here of being ridiculous about the topic when you’re the one who has publicly made an entire article ranting about the very same subject — I think some of Jef’s “cleverness” might be rubbing off on you… … MJ… Read more »
Pretty ridiculous lengths to show a vulva? Really?! You mean like how ridiculously up close the penis shot in Shameless was shown that you mentioned and praised in your article? If they showed a woman in EXACTLY the same camera angle, EXACTLY the same camera distance, EXACTLY the same scene lighting, you would be able to see every inch of the woman’s vulva, yet you would claim that it would be ridiculous to show such a thing, while praising the show for displaying the penis in this very manner? What’s ridiculous is the fact that these shows force the actresses… Read more »

They won’t respond to you Jon cause they have no facts to bring. They have been called out and not one spec of factual information has been presented. You are spot on and yet we will always have delusional, misguided, ignorant people that will continue spew misinformation to support their agenda.

Exactly, they can’t present facts to backup their claims because they don’t even know what they’re talking about. Faulty information, in MJ Snow’s case, can only get her so far with her argument.

Her anger (disguised as satire) over non-graphic partial female nudity has clouded her objectivity making it harder for her to separate fact from fiction.

Image turning on your television only to catch a show where 4 guys sit on a couch (in a comedy skit) demanding that “HBO SHOULD SHOW PUSSY”!… Can you image the absolute outraged shit-storm that would ensue from it? Every media outlet, every woman… hell, almost all of society would immediately blast this skit as entirely inappropriate and complete misogyny, regardless of the context. The resignations of network executives would be demanded, the entire cast of the skit would be fired and made a public example of; there would be an overwhelming public outcry for the show to be cancelled,… Read more »

How about a graph with actual vag shots to penis. ?????
Exactly 50-0 in favor of penis.
Get a life girls and accept when you are wrong.
Like arguing with a child.

Common place these days gents. Talk to any normal woman who doesn’t have her agenda to push and she will agree. Breasts are not the same as full male nudity. The simple fact is women want equality and they don’t want everything that comes with it. Women are always protected, ie. commit a crime, lessor sentence. It’s getting ridiculous nowadays with male nudity in all new movies. It’s ok to show that but never a vag that isn’t covered by a bush large enough to stale a weed eater. To those who think there should be an erect penis in… Read more »

Was that video up there before? I saw the “HBO SHOULD SHOW DONGS” on upworthy.com and came back here to post the link in the comments section but now I just noticed it’s already here. I think it just further backs up MJ Snow’s editorial and compliments it perfectly. Yes, it’s time for some actual equality. =)

Are you just trolling, Culdee, or do you really believe this?

Graphic male nudity versus non-graphic female nudity, which is the current state of our entertainment, isn’t “equality”.

Out of all of the posts I’ve read in here, aside from MJ Snow’s article and posts, yours are the most sexist and childishly ignorant.

A naked man, standing up, seen from 6 feet away is “graphic”, while a naked woman depicted the same way is “not graphic”?
How do you figure?

I’ll try to simplify it…

Exposed genitalia, Penis or Vulva = “Graphic Nudity”.

All other exposed body parts = “Non-Graphic Nudity”.

Also, a Penis is a dick, and a Vulva is a pussy.

Let me know if you need it dumbed-down any further. ;)

Covered by a pubic wig or can’t you read. Just because you can reply to all these statement doesn’t prove a thing. It does show you have an opinion but no facts. Like talking with a child. Hows MJ doing by the way?

Are you kidding? Boobs =/= penis. You say that there has been enough female full frontal nudity to last several winters, but they all wear pubic wigs – basically a hair bikini. Male full frontal shows everything, female full frontal is censored. Genital nudity is becoming even more on sided because of articles like yours.

MJ Snow, you hit the nail on the head with this article! Funny, obviously tongue in cheek, and a little bit naughty. The people hating on the article need to lighten up. How on earth can they not see the humor here? And I say if there is nudity, it should be equal between men and women. No, bare chests do not count for men, neither do merkins or prosthetics. I feel here in the UK we are a little bit more open about nudity on tv, but we all have a long way to go to become equal!

Great example of the type of article that a woman who hasn’t gotten laid in a very long time would write. Tell you what… lose some weight, work on your self-esteem, and (without putting your standards too high) you might meet a decent guy who’ll make you forget the need to seek out penis on HBO. You really should get out more. It’s kind of disturbing that you’re pushing for more “less flaccid” penises to be shown. Honey, where have you been for the last 40 years? Have you not heard of pornography??! Oh. but that’s so dirty, huh! Guess… Read more »

It’s really funny how much some men hate being objectified. Oh well, at least my husband doesn’t mind. :)

Lol, Confucius. firstly, you’ve spelled Confucius incorrectly. Second, I’m not fat, unattractive or single, nor have I been for a long time. I also write erotica and co-run a porn site, so there is nothing out there that I’m missing out on. I wouldn’t be against showing “full vulva,” either. I just would like to see a bit more equality in the ratio between male and female nudity on TV. I hope you’re not a phone psychic or anything… if so, you should look for a new career. ;)

The problem lies in that women’s breasts are considered nudity, with no male equivelent. Eliminate breasts from the equation and you see far more male nudity. It’s totally cool if you want to see more penises, but don’t go making inaccurate statements.

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“I … co-run a porn site, so there is nothing out there that I’m missing out on.”
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A: I’m now seeing the motive behind your article as you’re nothing more than a “co-” smut peddler. ……AND

B: Since you’re “not missing out” then you should be able to go without it on your local movie channels.

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“I wouldn’t be against showing “full vulva,” either. I just would like to see a bit more equality in the ratio between male and female nudity on TV.
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Your own word in your article say otherwise, making this statement completely disingenuous.

Wow, troll much, Jessica? This is obviously a witty commentary on nudity on the premium channels and you are taking it so seriously! Go out and get laid, you will feel better and won’t need to keep picking fights with people on the internet!

Lol. Grow up, Clara.

This is an adult topic meant for adults only. Telling people they need to “go out and get laid”, or perceiving someone who’s expressing an opposing point of view as “attacking someone” is ignorant and childish.

Next time, get some parental supervision to help you properly conceptualize things when engaging in any adult discussion such as this.

What an unfair and biased point of view. Your glaring falt here is that you’re comparing female nude breasts as the ‘equivalent’ to male nude genitalia. Get over yourself – the two cannot be compared. Hopefully you can see that if you want equality, then compare like for like. I.e. nude vagina (nude! not covered with fake pubic hair) with nude penis. Now *that* would be equal. And if you’d like to see erect penises (peni?), then how about showing some spread legged female vagina. Like for like, see?

The pubic hair is not fake much of the time, and if it is, it’s only imitating what is, you know, natural. The fact that you’re used to seeing women shaved bare in porn does not make it a right.

Agreed, my sentiments exactly, Xavier.

I’m not against showing more “real” female genitalia on TV at all. I’d just like to see as many nude males as there are nude females on television.

And therefore you draw comparison between female breasts / pubic hair and male (clearly visible) genitalia? Wtf? Just how old are you? Take down your silly article or at least update it with some truth.

I would suggest that you think about the fact that this is a blog, which in addition to news pieces, runs opinion pieces or editorials. An editorial is an article that contains the writer’s opinion. Sometimes, the piece is not actually the writer’s personal opinion, the Editor in Chief may assign a particular opinion piece to a staff writer who may or may not possess the opinion they are instructed to present. Editorials are not considered news stories, and do not need to be backed up with facts. The purpose of an editorial or opinion piece is often to stir… Read more »

There are no shows (outside of porn) that show female genitalia.

With that said, why do you think it’s fair that they should show more male genitalia?

Again, you’re asking for graphic male nudity when there is no graphic female nudity (i.e. no visible female genitalia).

Never in the article does the author say that she is against showing female genitalia or that she’s against female nudity of any kind. Can you read? She wrote an article about inequality when it comes to male genitalia versus female nudity of any kind on the premium channels. Which is a fact that, although you don’t believe it, is true. So why are you attacking her and saying to revise her article? She wrote an article that you don’t agree with. Wow, get over it.

Compare homologous parts. Her information is wrong.

——– “…….female nudity of any kind on the premium channels” … “Which is a fact that, although you don’t believe it, is true.”…….. ——– What are you talking about? What “female nudity of any kind”, Clara? Don’t just state your delusional opinion, back it up with fact. Name these shows that show a lot of actual “pussy” (actual labia majora/minora, clitoral hood…) in them? You are (illogically) comparing apples to oranges (i.e. male only genital nudity with non-genital female nudity)? It’s absolutely ridiculous. You, as well as MJ Snow and Culdee, are conveniently generalizing (perversely twisting) graphic male only nudity… Read more »
Oh I see Clara has decided to pick on Jessica. ——- “She wrote an article about inequality when it comes to male genitalia versus female nudity of any kind on the premium channels. Which is a fact that, although you don’t believe it, is true.” ——- Jeez… because you say its true, it therefore must be true…NOT! Why don’t you answer some of the questions and FACTS Jessica puts forth. Snow’s article rests on the proclamation that there is an inequality between male and female nudity; somehow equading nude female breasts (merkins do NOT = pussy!!!!) to male penis!!?? Male… Read more »

Yupppp I agree with this simple simetrical logic…! Come on girls.. more nude man mean more GAY… aren’t you all afraid if most man would become GAY..? kiss like a girl…? acceptable if most of you girls are Lesbian.. :( Any way I personaly hates Lesbian Act.. Yuckk!

If you’re afraid seeing nude men would make you gay… you’re gay.

I’m not getting your logic here…

Game of Thrones goes way overboard with male nudity. they go out of they way to show some guy’s dick. it’s a wet dream come true for the heshe’s on queer eye for the straight guy.

MJ Snow—well said! I agree with every point in your brilliantly written article. Game of Thrones should definitely be more liberal about penises on display. In fact, I’m slightly offended that they haven’t done it already. The male body is beautiful—including the penis! I just role my eyes at all the male nude scenes that have some strategically placed piece of furniture that perfectly obscures the penis from every angle. C’mon people—it’s the 21st century. Get out of the past, get over your own insecurities, and learn to accept that full-frontal male nudity is equally as desirable as any female’s.… Read more »

Well, it *does* hide the female genitals if she isn’t groomed 21st century style, but you only have that old feminazi, mother nature, to blame for that.

You are a complete and utter idiot. No where do they show vulva or are the female genitals exposed. Get your facts straight or finish school before you comment again. You and this piss poor article are way off. I have not seen one person who agrees with this article name one movie or one tv show that shows anything but breasts on women. The huge bush doesn’t count or maybe all the men should wear a huge pubic wig and cover everything and then we can compare nudity. Plain and simple it’s not even close. So calling you out…..… Read more »

Amen!

“Because it’s false—pubic hair does *not* conceal the female genitals; it merely frames them. I’ve seen Game of Thrones and vulvas *are* indeed visible. So it’s only fair to expect that the corresponding male anatomy is given at least as much visibility.” Lol!! If vulvas *are* indeed visible then why do actresses insist on wearing merkins? Like the author above you too make the mistake of NOT comparing like for like. Here are the facts – not my facts, but facts to the obvious unbiased eye: – male pubic hair cannot and does not NEARLY cover genitalia as much as… Read more »
Nice post. **rolls eyes** It does a great job proving that common sense truly is a gift, of which, you appear to have none. …………”…pubic hair does *not* conceal the female genitals…”………… It does in Hollywood! They call it a Merkin — used solely for the purpose of concealing any part of the vulva **pussy** from being seen, entirely, which is the main argument being made here. …………”…get over your own insecurities…” “…stupid, immature, and unnecessary. So bring on the DICKS! Time for the male producers/actors to man-up! B)…”………… So, by your own logic, if a female actress chooses to… Read more »
———- It does in Hollywood! They call it a Merkin — used solely for the purpose of concealing any part of the vulva **pussy** from being seen, entirely, which is the main argument being made here. ———- Merkin or not, the actress’s pubic region still appears fully visible to the audience. The audience doesn’t stop and think “oh wait I didn’t actually see her vulva; it was probably just a merkin”. The audience sees a mons pubis, pubic hair (fake or not), and a vulva (except you, of course). It’s how it’s *received* by the audience that is what matters.… Read more »

“The audience sees a mons pubis, pubic hair (fake or not), and a vulva
(except you, of course). It’s how it’s *received* by the audience that
is what matters.”

Good point. And, to be honest, I don’t care if the penises we see belong to a double, or are CG’d in, or have some kind of realistic looking covering on them. The point is not that I get to invade the actor’s privacy, but that the show caters to my sexuality as well as to a guy’s.

————————— ……….”The audience sees … a vulva” ————————— Is that right? Name 20 of these so-called *R-RATED* movies that actually shows a hint of the vulva — all made within the last decade, U.S. release, mainstream films. (NR, NC-17, indie/limited release foreign films are excluded). Prove your argument with actual facts instead of just posting lies. What’s “rare” in films and television, is showing an actual vulva. ————————— ……….”A merkin is not modest, at all.” … “Merkin or not, the actress’s pubic region still appears fully visible to the audience…” ————————— Their pubic regions are not fully visible, Lol. Your… Read more »

If you want equality, stop counting women topless as “nudity” and tossing aside topless men as nothing. The fact that one is okay and the other isn’t is sexist and is the problem. I’m okay with a dick on screen, but don’t act like women are getting the shaft because they don’t see a cock as often as a woman’s breast.

Well, I can’t say I know for sure, but I doubt it was women who decided breasts were a sexual body part.

Topless men are not even in the same ballpark as topless women. Really, that’s just ridiculous.

If topless men being compared to topless women is “ridiculous” as you say, then why would you compare a topless woman to a man’s penis? That’s even MORE ridiculous. Penis = Vagina. Why are women so insecure about the vagina? This is not just ridiculous, but downright ignorant. What are we men missing here that we just don’t understand women’s fear of vaginas being shown that they have to substitute in their breasts for their vagina? Please help us to understand why women have such a fear and disgust over this body part of theirs because I just don’t get… Read more »

Wrong. Ridiculous would be you comparison of non-genital body parts with genital body parts being the same.

And for the record, his isn’t all that ridiculous. A topless male is considered nudity, but our society disregards it, just like other societies disregard topless women as nudity.

Boob shots do not equal penis shots. Period. Visible penis must be matched with fully visible vaj in order for there to be equality. End of discussion.

feminism ≠ misogyny. but i agree, game of thrones, as fairly daring as it is w/male frontal, is heavily skewed to female uh…exposure. i haven’t read the books but from comments i’ve read, the sex/nudity and the like is in keeping with the writing…

Option 5
If the guy is hot, bring on the full frontal!!!

No problem – they already do; but would you object if they equal up the nudity stakes by showing equal amount of clearly visible vagina?

MJ Snow, this is the most ignorant and uninformed thing I have ever read. In fact, it sounds like it was written by someone with the anatomical knowledge, and intellect, of a 12-year old. Honestly, are you really comparing breasts and pubic hair with actual genital body parts? Breast and pubic hair are NOT genitalia, Einstein. To compare them as if they are genitalia (or the same as a Penis) is like trying to say a foot is an elbow. In addition, your rant is disingenuous as you have conveniently omitted the fact that none of these shows, NONE of… Read more »

It’s funny how all of you people say the exact same thing, in the exact same writing style. Just sayin’.

Like how funny it is that not woman can present a factual argument. You know just sayin’.

Your comment was condescending and pedantic. The article was written to be a slightly facetious, which, of course, militant feminists like yourself would not be able to recognize, not being in possession of a sense of humor. But thanks for reading. :)

That isn’t a feminist. It’s a men’s rights activist if I ever saw one, and most likely the same one every time (either that or they are using a script!)

Well I’m neither militant or feminist; but I’ll tell you this. I have no time for wannabe journalists who spin garbage like this to air their opinion, especially if they cannot back it up with facts. What ever your agenda was, your attempt was very poor.

When you set out to wright this did you actually do any research? “Slightly facetious”, give me a break. Seems more like backtracking to me. Just take down this silly article. At least (in your favour) it’ll take down the comments ripping you a new one as well.

Once again, an editorial is an article that contains the
writer’s opinion. No facts needed to back up said opinion. The writer has certainly got your panties in a bunch. She’s done her job well, and you Sir, if you can’t feel the fact that the piece is slightly facetious, should probably try some form of stress management, as you are severely lacking in your sense of humor.

One again Jon you should shut your mouth. Or is it Joan???
You get a sense of humor and learn that if women want equality then let’s have it. Otherwise we don’t need a daddy trolling this site.

—— “The article was written to be a slightly facetious…”

Lmao. You’re so full of crap. It’s obvious you have a bitter axe to grind against this show (or the network as a whole) while trying to disguise it as slightly tongue-in-cheek.

Again, you’re comparing non-graphic female nudity with graphic male nudity, (i.e. non-genital female nudity with genital male nudity). There is no equal (or fair) comparison here. Normally this isn’t a difficult concept to grasp, but it clear you’re not an individual who can think outside the box, much less think at all.

Stop being so condescending and pedantic! No where in the article did MJ Snow say that breasts are genitalia. She was simply stating the fact that breasts are the most shown private body part of the human anatomy in Game of Thrones. She also compared the amount of female nudity to the amount of male nudity. While, yes, she was comparing the female full-frontal to the full-frontal of a male and his penis, she was not making these body parts interchangeable, but acknowledging what the majority of the female audience would like to see more and less of (along with… Read more »
Condescending and pedantic…? Lol. The typical tactic of the opposition hoping to derail a factual argument. And for the record, she IS comparing a male ‘genital’ body part with ‘non-genital’ female body parts as being equal, period. MJ Snow and Aaliya, how often do we see an exposed vulva (a pus**) on any of these shows? Never! Why? Because most heterosexual females (vagiphobes) become mentally unhinged at the sight of one. So, in yours and MJ Snow’s ideal world, all male actors should give their female audience graphic levels of genital nudity while female actresses only have to expose their… Read more »

“So, in yours and MJ Snow’s ideal world, all male actors should give
their female audience graphic levels of genital nudity while female
actresses only have to expose their breasts and not their genitals…?
I’m seeing the — sexist / female chauvinistic — equality here!”

No, I think women should also be fully exposed, but that is not the topic of the article.

Huh? That is precisely the topic of the article – your calling for “equality” in the nudity department by complaining that there is not nearly enough penis shots as breast shots. What people are complaining about is the penis is not equal to breasts – it is equal to the vagina, and unless you don’t equate the penis with the vagina, then your statement makes sense, but then I’d have to believe you suffer from fear of vaginas. So yes, that is the topic of the article and people are correct in saying a penis is equal to the vagina.… Read more »

The topic of the article is whether or not we should be shown more male genitalia. The reason for the article was to create controversy and get people chattering about their opinions. Job done.

Wrong. The topic of the article was to have male genitalia shown because they are not shown as often as breasts. You mistakenly compare genitals to non-genitals, probably not even realizing that women have genitals too, and it’s not their breasts. To use this fallacy and claim victory for stirring controversy is rather disingenuous. That’s like saying the sky is green and grass is blue and claiming victory when someone points out your misinformation. If you want to stir up controversy and get people talking, then you can start by equating the vagina to the penis first, and then you… Read more »

——— “No, I think women should also be fully exposed, but that is not the topic of the article.” ———–

You do, then why make a whole article that says otherwise?

Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is, revise your article and say so. Then we’ll all see just how genuine your response is here.

I agree also !! Funny to read this article I banned all the men’s nude women channels too. IF the movie have both than it would be ok . But that’s not case I see

I agree us women want to se more goodlooking erect penis”@!!!!Maybe than my hubby and I get to both watch rated r movies again. Because no double standard is a loud In my hoise …its banned in my house , just like it is in a lot of women’s homes ! Why should women be the ones to cringe …i got sick of it don’t watch any

So, by this logic, your husband should also be allowed to see a spread eagle, swollen, dripping wet pus**, in this “R” rated movie that also contains an erect penis, right? After all, fair is fair, and you certainly don’t tolerate any double standards in your house — just your own, sexist ones, right? As stated above, breasts and pubic hair are not genitalia, nor does this level of nudity expose a woman’s genitals or show her in a “penetrable” state. A erect penis would show a man in a “penetrable” state as would showing a woman’s vulva spread open,… Read more »

I could do without all the unnecessary nudity on Game of Thrones. It is a waste of time, when there is already too few episodes per season. That said, if they’re going to show female nudity, then they should have an equal amount of male nudity. And please, no more old/ugly/gross shots. Spartacus is a good example, though even that show has way more female nudity than male.

female breasts and pubic hair does NOT (NOT!) equal male genitalia.
Period!

You already said it”that’s what porn is for”. Besides showing penises because you see a women’s breast or merkin is like saying a women should show her genitalia because they showed a mans naked but. It’s funny. Maybe they should stop showing women’s breasts on tv and show clear shots of their down under so we can comment on them. Then we could all be happy looking at actors genitals and the movies would be so much better.

Its always women tho …….and tv show women inside out and erect ….so y not erect men

See any of Jessica Dawson’s comments – I couldn’t have said it better myself. I cannot agree more with EVERYTHING she said.

Lets see a lingering close up of vagina like mentioned about the penis on shameless. Or an unsimulated urination scene done by a womanin detail as was done on Oz. Do I want to see that? No. But if it can be shown by a man why are female genitals always obscured by dark lighting, distant shots, awkward poses, merkins or a combination of the above. Let’s see a vag for once! The true taboo and double standard.

Wtf? Did MJ Snow “vote up” this comment? But this the exact opposite of what he article says. Yes! Its not a mistake, I see she did the same further down again in similarly aligned comments too. Care to ammend your article then Snow?

Do you really want to be using sources from PTC, a conservative organization that’s been well-known for its crusade against art and the right to express that art? Why give people like them any credibility?

I really don’t want to see more nudity on TV, it just feels like cheap trick to please the audience quickly to me. Too many shows use it to cover bad writing. I think Game of Thrones is a great show with great writing though, but it’s going overboard with the nudity. The problem with male nudity is that it may be cold where they shoot, and many men may not want to take off their boxers then. They could just solve that the way they did with Hodor though and “greensock” the actors and let the computer animators do… Read more »

If it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander. So unsheathe those swords and let our eyes meander.

Yep. If we see penis lets see some vagina/labia for once instead of clamped legs, llw lighting and merkins

Loved this article! Must say, the song “My Pony” by Genuine came to mind, as I was reading over all the good points!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68IFfpJNLUs

LMBO! Pure AWESOMENESS! They forgot to be thankful for that last clip of Erick on TB season finally! YAY

On our (really, my husband’s) giant HD TV, Alexander Skarsgard’s package was not AT ALL difficult to see. (And I quite enjoyed the view, thank you.) But I watched the episode again on our downstairs set, and it couldn’t see jack.

So, yeah … I guess size matters. :-)

Ps: Hodor.

Congratulations on the article. I think this whole issue deserves attention. It’s very irritating to notice how frequently they cover all the men while the women are totally naked. It’s not fair with the female audience, which is big enough to be relevant in those decisions.
Thank you for your contribution to the cause.

I’m afraid you’ve been duped, and are wrong. See any of Jessica Dawson’s comments – I couldn’t have said it better myself. I cannot agree more with EVERYTHING she said.

Great article, I really enjoyed reading this! It’s cool to see these statistics all in the one place. Puts everything into perspective. I’m going to be perhaps a bit controversial though (I voted “Who Cares?” btw): I really don’t see the need for more male nudity unless it serves the plot. For example, in Boardwalk Empire the emphasis on female nudity (in most cases) makes sense, as a lot of the shots are of female prostitutes in the process of seducing men. Game of Thrones does, however, take it to a whole new level with a ridiculous amount of nudity,… Read more »

I’m sorry, but I haven’t seen any statistics. Just incorrect information, lies and biased opinion. Read the article again would you please – Snow outright makes comparisons of the uncomparible, and then seem to backtrack when asked for evidence. Read some of the comments taking her and her article to peaces every time. If she has any real integrity she’ll at least come out and say she’s made a mistake. Or failing that, if she wants respect, back up her claims with some actual facts. FACTS damnit!

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